tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post1212615371295617701..comments2024-03-28T09:03:29.011-04:00Comments on Maddy's Ramblings: The King and the DancerMaddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-27467746291356997602019-06-29T07:28:00.580-04:002019-06-29T07:28:00.580-04:00Hi,thanks for a great read.I heard another story t...Hi,thanks for a great read.I heard another story that there was a challenge between Maharaja and Uncle that which one of them could pen a song with Sringara rasa.And the story goes like Maharaja penned Alarsara parithapam ,Thampi wrote Prananathan and finally Maharaja accepted Thampis kriti to be best among the two.Pl throw some light.rvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14229524530242018040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-41383233703133237502014-04-19T08:24:58.336-04:002014-04-19T08:24:58.336-04:00mayshoe..
thanks for the comment, you can find the...mayshoe..<br />thanks for the comment, you can find the songs on youtube, i do not know about the film though - look around or you can find it in Kerala, i am sure.Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-48061706675110201242014-04-18T23:35:58.418-04:002014-04-18T23:35:58.418-04:00I would like to see this movie man, is this movie ...I would like to see this movie man, is this movie available on net? I searched it couldn't find it where can we get this movie, it would be great if somebody could help me out finding this movie.Mayshoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05234578479504039496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-64051742089350575892013-12-11T04:32:10.494-05:002013-12-11T04:32:10.494-05:00thanks jk47
I will get to the story of swati tirun...thanks jk47<br />I will get to the story of swati tirunal's death one of these days, there is some intrigue behind it..<br />and the connection to the vases of cream linked by calicut heritage forum signifies something i suppose<br />rgdsMaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-13639086231544321562013-12-05T03:17:09.549-05:002013-12-05T03:17:09.549-05:00Dear Maddy,
This is a long one from u. Wow, u mu...Dear Maddy,<br /> This is a long one from u. Wow, u must have done quite some research for this. Maharaja Swati Thirunal was a real genius & quite a gentle person as well. I think he saw devadasis/dancers as artists & not in a derogatory light. Maddy, i had heard & read that the song 'Prananathan...' was written for Narayani. Anyways, wat intrigues me the most about the Parvathy Sukumaranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576479693215375574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-41275855102297332702012-11-19T09:01:01.868-05:002012-11-19T09:01:01.868-05:00hi wordsmith...
Thanks alot
I agree, as I explaine...hi wordsmith...<br />Thanks alot<br />I agree, as I explained it , I was just recounting the legend. Also I stated that it is more likely Thanmpi was writing such lyrics for his nephews consort, rather than his wife Narayani. <br /><br />Later the consort also became a wife...Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-45038807535491488402012-11-18T13:34:15.833-05:002012-11-18T13:34:15.833-05:00Inspiring post, Maddy. Took me back by centuries i...Inspiring post, Maddy. Took me back by centuries into the palace of Swati Thirunal and his consorts. But don't fully believe the fact that Irayimman Thampi, assuming that he's the uncle of ST, would write amorous lyrics for his nephew's wife. Either he was just a court poet or it was penned down just to experience an aesthetic high. wordsmith@workhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377396745212637509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-11599759031763462442012-01-28T08:08:32.518-05:002012-01-28T08:08:32.518-05:00hi Divya..
thanks for your comment, but I did not ...hi Divya..<br />thanks for your comment, but I did not quite follow. the Vyvaharamala was referred to in namboodiri's book, I did not mention ulloor. I took this from Nirmala's book.. perhaps you could elaborate?Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-91352107863919159802012-01-28T08:04:42.194-05:002012-01-28T08:04:42.194-05:00thanks Nanditha.
of course, I remember you. hope y...thanks Nanditha.<br />of course, I remember you. hope you are doing well and settled in India..I have just written something about Kathakali & krishnattam too if you are interested<br />http://maddy06.blogspot.com/2012/01/from-krishnattam-to-kathakali.htmlMaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-62388789741577425272012-01-23T06:46:25.764-05:002012-01-23T06:46:25.764-05:00Dear Sir, Vyavaharamala is not the first book to u...Dear Sir, Vyavaharamala is not the first book to use the word 'Mohiniyattam'. It was a mistake happened to Mahakavi Ulloor while compiling the details for his book 'Kerala Sahity Charithram '. He himself corrected the mistake in the later editions. But Kala. Kalyanikutty referred the old version for her book on Mohiniyattam. Regards, Divya Nedungadi<br />http://Dr. Divya Nedungadi, Mohiniyattam Artistehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06675182082429951566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-75478815735176945112012-01-22T23:19:16.251-05:002012-01-22T23:19:16.251-05:00I have link this post in a mohiniyattam forum on f...I have link this post in a mohiniyattam forum on facebook! for others who will be interested to read on this topic :)<br />nanditha(hope you remember me)Nanditha Prabhuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04589675344474098832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-30292204602563823222011-12-15T08:19:32.819-05:002011-12-15T08:19:32.819-05:00The post has been updated on my blog!
The book sad...The post has been updated on my blog!<br />The book sadly is not available in the market and I managed to refer to it because a Tvm-based friend had a copy. It has been published by an academic institution I think, so it may be difficult to find it. I remember, however, seeing it on Flipkart or one of those websites some time ago. Worth a try perhaps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-1608730071193401152011-12-14T09:21:34.582-05:002011-12-14T09:21:34.582-05:00thanks manu.
much appreciated.
any idea where i ca...thanks manu.<br />much appreciated.<br />any idea where i can get the book you mention?<br />rgdsMaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-44878769742935486712011-11-05T07:32:20.847-04:002011-11-05T07:32:20.847-04:00Gautham Padmanabhan is right, because it turns out...Gautham Padmanabhan is right, because it turns out my article does have a few factual errors. However, those errors were in the sources themselves, so I can vindicate myself by redrafting and correcting the whole piece, which I am in the process of doing. <br /><br />As for what book would be useful, the one I recently found, called New Light on Swathi Thirunal, by RP Raja, is quite excellent andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-59448397905297573062011-09-05T07:42:23.791-04:002011-09-05T07:42:23.791-04:00gautam.
thanks, i think we have to agree to disagr...gautam.<br />thanks, i think we have to agree to disagree till i am convinced otherwise.<br /><br />I do not know manu nor is he material to this specific discussion, the role of a thankachi is also not relevant, but mentioned only for perspective, i will cover it in a separate article someday.<br /><br />as for the song, i still do not believe it was written for a wife to sing to her husband, Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-63001327715737914382011-09-04T14:48:05.081-04:002011-09-04T14:48:05.081-04:00When one mistake is hallowed either through a dram...When one mistake is hallowed either through a drama or film and without questioning it, it finally ends up in a gross injustice to History.<br /><br />As I said, the proof is History only.<br />Irayimman Thampi. his daughter, Thankachy were close with Narayani and not with Madhavi or Sundara Lakshmy (SL). So we can understand that the song was written by Thampi for Narayani Pillai only. Another Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-84335191772481948982011-08-13T08:18:43.688-04:002011-08-13T08:18:43.688-04:00Thanks Gautham for your valuable comments
As you ...Thanks Gautham for your valuable comments<br /><br />As you see, we are writing about times long gone. In text, I can only address or relate Thampi as Swati Tirunal’s uncle. <br /><br />I would also say that Mathilakom & palace records are good from a legal or accounting perspective, but never a personal perspective as it is always on the side of the ruler, right or wrong.<br /><br />Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-32196565237620267922011-08-10T03:33:42.836-04:002011-08-10T03:33:42.836-04:00Thampi was never considered as the Uncle of Swathi...Thampi was never considered as the Uncle of Swathi Thirunal b'cz at that time the then rules would only accept Marumakkathayam in Kshatriya and Nair households. Although Nairs were called Malayala Kshatriyas, they were not given that status unfortunately. So, thampies were viewed as Maharajas and Maharanies'<br />brother (not through direct lines).<br />It was a fact that thampies were Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-70279719299462783462011-08-10T03:20:07.533-04:002011-08-10T03:20:07.533-04:00I must fully reject your blog's version of ...I must fully reject your blog's version of 'ammachies' especially with regard to the Mudaliar girl, Sugandhavally. Both Mr Nayar and Mr Manu Pillai are famed for their ignorance in Travancore History. <br />But, I must request you to check the Matilakam as well as Palace records in Trivandrum.<br /><br />The points of difference are<br /><br />1. Thiruvattar Ammachi Ayikutty Narayani Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-73895456847087768252011-07-24T07:32:36.892-04:002011-07-24T07:32:36.892-04:00thanks CHF..
Kuttikunju was also materly oin music...thanks CHF..<br />Kuttikunju was also materly oin music..<br />I was intrigued by the Holloways ointment ad that I had chanced upon earlier, but did not connect the dots. then again, the connection is quite vague, will have to study this in more detail with a clinical bentMaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-76957459390983216712011-07-17T03:49:52.562-04:002011-07-17T03:49:52.562-04:00What a great post! You have re-created the atmosph...What a great post! You have re-created the atmosphere minus the squabbles!<br />There was another shadowy character - the uncle's daughter, Kuttikkunju Thankachi. But for the early death of Swathi, we would have heard much more about them!<br />You mention that Swathi's early death might have been brought about by the pressures from all sides. There might well have been a medical reason, Calicut Heritage Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14760552324718923006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-49890939263160123462011-07-16T12:46:19.283-04:002011-07-16T12:46:19.283-04:00thanks PNS..
i enjoyed studying this as well.thanks PNS..<br />i enjoyed studying this as well.Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-90832637577815925932011-07-16T12:46:03.046-04:002011-07-16T12:46:03.046-04:00thanks anamika..
these kinds of legends are always...thanks anamika..<br />these kinds of legends are always just that, but well, as we know narayani was not on good terms with tirunal by the time sugandhavally arrived, right? but then again this could have been composed earlier...Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163804773843409980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-36838512607119788882011-07-12T01:36:58.505-04:002011-07-12T01:36:58.505-04:00Maddy,
Good article.Don't know much about the ...Maddy,<br />Good article.Don't know much about the King and the dancer. Lot of stories. <br />Well,I have heard from my mother a different version of the origin of the song by Irayimman Thampi. This was written for Narayani Pillai , the king's first wife. She was an accomplished Veena player. She and Kuttikunju Thankachi were great friends too.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />AnamikaAnamikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17826682409257311372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29462524.post-81539298345137363232011-07-11T05:20:23.754-04:002011-07-11T05:20:23.754-04:00So thus goes the story of Sundaravalli and Mohinia...So thus goes the story of Sundaravalli and Mohiniattam. Very comprehensive. Thanks.P.N. Subramanianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01420464521174227821noreply@blogger.com